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21 August 2006 @ 03:44 pm
Saddam  
I think the next time someone asks me whether I think Saddam should have been removed from power, my answer will be a simple "no."

I might be completely naive in thinking this, but the escalating cost, the death toll on both sides, and the psychological effects this war has had seem a whole lot worse than the alternative. We supposedly went into this war to get rid of a preemptive threat - but that's why any government attacks another government, because they think the other is a threat... and we did go into Iraq to remove the government and not just some terrorists, right?

I truly believe that people will eventually reflect on the whole debacle and actually proclaim, even in the media, that they believe the world was a safer place when Saddam was in power. I think it's still "too soon" to have such an unpopular view, but really... we've just screwed up so bad.
 
 
 
CreativEcstasycreativecstasy on August 22nd, 2006 04:43 am (UTC)
it's not too soon, i've had similar views from day 1
seth_x: Jeff [tweeked]seth_x on August 22nd, 2006 06:04 am (UTC)
Well, according to my political science teacher at COM last year, we (meaning the bush admin) invaded Iraq in order to prevent Iraqi oil from being sold in eruos instead of US dollars, which would have had to effect of devaluing the dollar, and also to basically prove to our allies (mostly europe) that we are still the top dog. There was more, but that's about all I remember.
beauseizure on August 22nd, 2006 02:01 pm (UTC)
The US govt. planned to invade Iraq/remove Saddam Hussein from power long before the threat of OPEC countries switching to the Euro was ever on our minds.
Elliott Kelleyhastis_epigeios on August 22nd, 2006 12:47 pm (UTC)
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/08/peter_beinart_w.html

skip to the last question for the important part :3
Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on August 22nd, 2006 04:50 pm (UTC)
I'd actually seen this. I forgot the answer to his question, though.
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beauseizure on August 22nd, 2006 02:11 pm (UTC)
...honestly I don't think even the naysayers really predicted the debacle that this whole mess has turned into...

F'real? I think a lot of people saw that it would be a quagmire from a mile away. There was tremendous, widespread, global opposition to the war for that reason among others. I find articles predicting/worrying about/advocating protracted conflict ending with a "three state solution" going all the way back to November of 2003.
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Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on August 22nd, 2006 05:46 pm (UTC)
As much as it's nice to say that Saddam was a bad man and it's good that he's been removed from power, it's like... like okay have you seen the movie Aladdin.

And Abu is in the Cave of Wonders and he takes the big jewel from the statue. He's got the big jewel, right? But then the entire cave turns into a pit of lava and he and Aladdin are going to die. And then they're trapped in the pit. And a fucking GENIE saves them.

Well hey you know. It's nice that Abu got the giant jewel. You can't argue that the big giant jewel is an awesome jewel which is probably really expensive. But you just fucked shit up.
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beauseizure on August 22nd, 2006 08:51 pm (UTC)
As totally accurate in every way as it is, I'm not going to extend that metaphor further.

The scary thing is that we don't know, can't know, that whatever order will impose itself on the territory formerly known as Iraq will be better than Saddam's autocracy. And we can't know how big the ripple effect from our actions as regards other great powers and the struggle for control over diminishing energy resources might be. I won't argue that Saddam didn't suck, because he way sucked, but who knows what's gonna go down now. It may very well suck worse.
Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on August 22nd, 2006 08:57 pm (UTC)
My analogy was basically showing that there are a lot of obvious things we want to get rid of in the world. But there's usually a really good reason why we haven't gotten rid of it.
beauseizure on August 22nd, 2006 09:03 pm (UTC)
I was actually serious about it being accurate.
Jeffrey Carl Faden: rottel-the-Mercury 1jeffreyatw on August 22nd, 2006 09:27 pm (UTC)
Yeah but he's a GENIE
שירן shiranne シラーン 冉施安gogalucky on August 22nd, 2006 06:20 pm (UTC)
yes
but the next time, i don't know if i could have said it before. hindsight blahblah ok