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27 February 2007 @ 08:39 pm
Yoko Kanno = Plagiarism?  
So I was going to play some Civ 4 with Nico and the gang today and I heard a familiar song coming from his room. I was like "oh hey, you're playing Hooverphonic." and Nico was like "zuh."

Turns out the song he was listening to was Cyberbird from Ghost in the Shell: Stand-Alone Complex (2002). I listened for a little bit and I was pretty freaking astounded. This was exactly like Battersea, from Blue Wonder Power Milk (1998). It had the same instruments, same tempo, same drum beat, same key, same kind of singing... so after I listened to THAT SONG, I connected to my library through iTunes and played Battersea. Everyone was like "you are totally playing the same song Jeffrey you must be joking."

But man. I mean, the songs are different enough... but in terms of style, Yoko Kanno's got some serious steeeeeaaaaling going on. Take a look for yourself:

Battersea

Cyberbird

edit I was totally beaten by a lot.
 
 
Elliott Kelleyhastis_epigeios on February 28th, 2007 09:29 pm (UTC)
the point i'm making is that they're very similar, but not the same. they are different enough to be called different songs.
Cyberbird's tempo is 5-10 bpm faster. Cyberbird's chords and melodies go up when Battersea's go down. Battersea's vocals are highlighted sad, while Cyberbird's are highlighted energetic. a couple of cyberbird's instruments are completely different from Battersea's, while the rest are mildly different. Cyberbird even has a couple minutes of stuff that has nothing to do with Battersea, other than the placement of those couple minutes (when there's no vocals)

meaning, it's not copying, and it's not plagiarism, but you're definitely right that it's stealing (since she doesn't credit the original songs).

but also, by simply being aware of the fact that her songs are based off of other people's songs, you can see that she still has her own style.


basically, if she credited the original songs, there would be nothing wrong with it, and she would still be considered a good composer.
but... she doesn't. so... yeah.
Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on February 28th, 2007 09:34 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I guess that's what I'm getting at. I just remembered while walking to class today that I still mentioned "plagiarism" in this blog, and yeah, it's not that. Later in my vlog I just mentioned it's unoriginality and that's sort of sad.
Yidnethyidneth on July 13th, 2007 03:58 pm (UTC)
in escaflowne there's a song with the same chords bed that HOtel california the super well knwon song, i mean is as if a girl is singing another thing over the backing tracks of Hotel california
in Arjuna we can find Edward Scissorhands
in Loddoss war, Adieums
and so forth
i actually like some of her staff quite a lot, but i agree she should credit better her sources