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14 November 2006 @ 04:21 pm
I'd like to take a little time out to curse what has ruined a great number of my friends' lives: cigarettes.

Even if they don't realize it, the time that they've already spent sucking on burnt things, the change in their habits, and the effect it will have on the rest of their lives is just so amazingly devastating.

Screw the health issue. We eat stuff that will kill us, we do activities that are unhealthy - a lot of things in the world threaten our health a whole lot. But smokers alter their entire social life to hang out with other people for the sake of smoking, actively disgust and discourage their existing friends, and become amazingly less personal due to the fact that they have to remove themselves from their daily lives to go and feed an addiction that doesn't help them in the slightest, while funding an evil industry just because they want to be "edgy" or something of the sort.

What's more, the longer they continue to smoke, the less likely it is that they'll be able to quit - and that will affect their lives. It will affect their kids' lives - and maybe that's where its unhealthiness hits hardest. It saddens me so much to see the start of a negative life decision, but I can only imagine how horrible it will be down the road.

Seriously, I think what pisses me off the most about cigarettes is that they are so amazingly unhelpful and unnecessary. That fact alone makes me lose faith in those who I used to call friends simply because they're letting themselves be consumed by a void. I can't think of them the same way - and neither can a whole lot of people - simply because they've decided to take part in something so obviously harmful and useless.

My room faces the quad where people go to waste their lives in the ash tray and I want to replace butts with something more striking, like "STOP SMOKING." Unfortunately that wouldn't fit very well without hyphenating it, so I'm thinking of something more direct, like "FUCK YOU."
Music: Ragnarosen - Skyler's Overture
Jamescaptaincanada on November 15th, 2006 12:33 am (UTC)
this post doesn't make me want to kiss jeffrey faden, but it's still pretty awesome.
Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on November 15th, 2006 12:41 am (UTC)
Jeffrey Faden added "james gowdey" to his favorite activities. 4:41pm
eric_andrew on November 15th, 2006 12:43 am (UTC)
Hows about how much money it wastes? Come on dudes, you're going to be broke long before the lung cancer gets you.
Jeffrey Carl Faden: Emmamueljeffreyatw on November 15th, 2006 12:47 am (UTC)
I didn't mention money because I sort of forgot about it because I'm fucking RICH

But yes, a very good point.
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Same story, different iteration.soygirl on November 15th, 2006 12:45 am (UTC)
I think most anything that gets to the point of habit or addiction will have negative effects. Smoking is probably the worst.

I don't take any time out of my life to go smoke. I have no intention of doing so. In fact, I am working back towards not smoking all together. And I do think that smoke breaks are lamezor. Shmoo shmoo shmoo.
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Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on November 15th, 2006 01:17 am (UTC)
I don't think it's a form of relaxing. Meditation would be a form of relaxing. This, if anything, makes people more agitated in the long run.
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Antagonist77antagonist77 on November 15th, 2006 01:36 am (UTC)
Here here.

We should have a series of commercials with TV friends one looking at the other smoking through glass, looking lonely.

Elliott Kelleyhastis_epigeios on November 15th, 2006 01:47 am (UTC)
although, on the other hand, smokers tend to be a lot more open to conversation with everyone.
the smoking areas tend to be very cool, despite the smoke.
i heard someone say it's partly because they automatically have something in common. "you smoke? hey, i smoke too! alright!"
Things could always be worse.lildogg on November 15th, 2006 01:59 am (UTC)
i don't think that's a strong enough reason to justify a cigarette. the same can be said about going to a concert, or a billion other social activities. my best friend is a smoker and it turns a lot of people off.
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Miss Maggie Mayhemmsmaggiemayhem on November 15th, 2006 03:09 am (UTC)
I'm a smoker and it's interesting to read this.

Actually, aside from the college demographic, professional smokers tend to have more type A personalities and are an asset to the economy because they pay so goddamn much in taxes (which, as you may have noticed with prop 86 that failed never go to cancer research, they go to roads and things like that) and tend to die before they get their pension or social security.

I started smoking at 19 which is late for people who smoke as often as I do. I can point to a lot of things as to why. It was a personal choice, I deliberately took it on after being friends with mostly all smokers (greasers down in los angeles), growing up in a pool hall (my dad is well known on the circuit and we've had the family business my entire life...laws about indoor smoking in pool halls were not in place for my entire childhood), and the fact my dad and grandpa were/are smokers. Maybe that proves a lot of points about smoking.

I like getting away though. I don't like being in a room at a party without a reason to go outside. I don't really like groups of people all that much and smoking gives me a way out. A way outside, a way out of a conversation because I have to step away, etc.

I think any and all addictions do this though. When I had food poisoning set in and was calling my boyfriend to help me out and he didn't answer because he was entrenched in a video game and didn't hear the phone ring at all as well as the number of times we're late to something or we started out talking or...whatever...and it turns into watching him play a couple rounds drives me up a goddamn wall. What's the use of that? It's entertainment plain and simple. Obviously much less harmful than what I do, but no more beneficial.

Meh. I don't blow smoke in people's faces unless they pay me. And people me, I have definitely paid for a number of my credits here at UCSC because some middle aged white man wanted me to do just that. Part of the whole pro domme business. But that's another story.
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Ranagan_Labardinelabardine on November 15th, 2006 06:28 am (UTC)
I see what you say... and your argument against smoking sounds much more personally arrived at and therefore genuine than the Phillip Morris 'Smoking is Whack Dude. org bullshit that was trendiest a few years back.

But at the same time I find that your whole diatribe can be madlibbed out rather easily to apply to anything: alcoholism, World of Warcraft, Wicca, Golfing, style of dress etc. And to me that signifies that cigarettes are symptom not a problem.

The problem is that you and your former friends' worldviews, attitudes towards life and the personal goals you have for it have diverged. You want to socialize by watching reclusive rockstars sing Bob Mackie tunes... they want to fake not giving a shit by smoking in hopes of nailing the gaunt, acerbic, bitter yet sexually attractive (to them) girl/boy.

That last little bit is of course an overgeneralization on my part. But I think the general theory holds up with investigation and extrapolation.
שירן shiranne シラーン 冉施安: gotou masafumigogalucky on November 15th, 2006 08:59 am (UTC)
Smoking is probably the thing that annoys me the most about my garin. We have a group of smokers who at every opportunity, complain that they need a cigarette, we need to take a break for them to smoke. We could be having a serious discussion involving the entire garin and at some point all the smokers will start twitching, loudly complaining about the need to smoke, or just leave the room, frustrating the rest of us. We could be on a bus somewhere and the second we get off, instead of inhaling the sweet fresh air I wanted after a long bus ride, I get a huge whiff of smoke to my face.

The smokers have also made an active effort to create a little group of Smokers, encouraging others to start smoking with them, just so they could fit in, and I know four people who only started smoking or started smoking more than like, once a month, just to be able to spend time with the Smokers, and two people who tried to quit only lasted for a few days before reverting to heavy smoking habits.

And the problem is that even people like me think smoking looks kind of cool. I never smoked cigarettes to look cool though, I smoked looking for some chemical effects that didn't even work on me, which is why I don't smoke. I've smoked maybe a total of 15 cigarettes in my lifetime, and I don't plan on smoking so much more than that, mostly because it does nothing to me, and also because every time I smoke a cigarette I start thinking of my mom, an edgy enough person as is whose life is run by her cigarette smoking. Why are plane flights hell for us as a family? Because the moment before we take off and the moment we land, my mom needs her cigarettes, and the entire flight she has headaches that can only be a result of her nicotine need. Why does my sister hate cigarettes and cigarette smoking with such a passion that since we've moved to Israel half the conversations we've had are "EWWW I'M NOT STANDING HERE" and "Shut up and stop complaining, it's Israel."

And of course I look at heavy drinkers and weed-doers as much worse than this, because the chemicals and substances taken in are just that much worse, physically and socially and emotionally and whatever else. That's why I'm determined to stay careful with my drinking and stay completely completely away from weed, which in my mind is the most useless and damaging substance in the entire universe. People will smoke or do weed just once, and my entire opinion of them will change. I like the idea that I'll live my whole life without ever doing any illegal substances.
Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on November 15th, 2006 09:45 am (UTC)
What but alcohol's illegal for you yo
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(Anonymous) on November 15th, 2006 11:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Cigarettes
"We eat stuff that will kill us, we do activities that are unhealthy - a lot of things in the world threaten our health a whole lot."

The great myth: cigarettes are a risk like any other.

The reality: nothing is even in the same ballpark as cigarettes.

Cigarettes kill one out of five Americans today. Nothing else even comes close.
Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on November 15th, 2006 11:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Cigarettes
I'm totally aware of the health risks - I just don't think that killing oneself in the long run is a big factor for smokers when it comes to instant relaxation. They could probably care less about themselves.
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Andyddrmallrat on November 16th, 2006 05:56 pm (UTC)
Jeez, I hope this thread still has some life in it.
I know I do, hahaha.
Yea, I'm a smoker. So many things to touch on.
1.Smoking relaxes you. Really, I don't know how in the world someone could tell me I'm wrong about that.
2.Yea, smokings addictive, but I believe the correlation between length of addiction and ability to quit is pretty marginal. That is to say, I think it can be equally as hard for someone smoking for two years to quit as, say, someone whos smoked for 15.
3.In California, smoking is shunned by leglislature. You say smoking is anti-social; I entirely disagree. Out here in cowtown, smoking is still allowed in resturaunts. Which means that often times the most social thing you can do is go to Dennys, get a coffee, and have a few cigarettes. Then again, almost everyone I know smokes. Do I think anti-public smoking ordinances are bad? Depends on what facts you're looking at. Second-hand smoke isn't nearly as dangerous as thought. Studies have shown that the increased risk for lung-cancer with exposure to second-hand smoke is statistically insignificant, about 16 people will develop it out of 1,000,000 that otherwise would not have.
It's just a nuisance to non-smokers, and resturaunts have been doing a better job of seperating the two and purifying the air.
4. Out here at least, people who smoke are treated as equals. Maybe it's because smoking is much more widespread, but in California smokers are treated like second-class citizens, with their habits openly mocked by the general public.
5. As far as the impact on my budget, I can replace a meal with a cigarette. I know it doesn't sound healthy, cause it isn't, but I have some weight to lose anyway and I'm broke as ass. I'm pretty sure I could survuve off of coffee and cigarettes alone (though probably only for another 20 years).

Theres so much more to say but god sometimes i hate the internet as a forum for debate.
Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on November 16th, 2006 06:38 pm (UTC)
1. Smoking becomes the only thing that can relax you as a relief from withdrawal.

2. Sure, no matter how long you've smoked it's difficult to quit. But I think more than a dependency is built - you change habitually as well as socially in a longer period of time, so smoking for a great number of years can definitely change you.

3, 4. Yes, smoking is shunned by legislature because it's deadly. Hence, its illegality in public places has made it an anti-social activity, and has taught people about how unnecessary it is. I'm aware that smoking has been a part of human history for a while now, but I really could care less about legacy. And you're right, it's not as much a health risk to non-smokers (although the risk is there) as much as it's just a nuisance. And that's why I'm blogging about this in the first place. I think it's a social nuisance. It's annoying, unsightly, and it pushes people away.

5. Why do you say these things? It brings the validity of your entire argument down.
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