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02 November 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Another thought  
Is using logic the same as "thinking for yourself?"
Josephloccster on November 2nd, 2007 07:24 pm (UTC)
So long as its your own logic, or rather, objective and without other's opinions inserted into its axioms.
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Josephloccster on November 6th, 2007 02:29 am (UTC)
Debating semantics with you would be a great waste of time, I imagine.
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Josephloccster on November 6th, 2007 08:52 pm (UTC)
Ahh I do see, "objective" was not a great choice of words. I meant it more as "objective with respect to outside influence, as much as that is possible, if it is."
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Josephloccster on November 6th, 2007 12:25 am (UTC)
But you are folowing your own unique set of algoriths per se, so in that way we could call it "your own" logic, yes? Mhmm.
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Josephloccster on November 6th, 2007 02:29 am (UTC)
So the way in which you interpret, understand, and relate to the world around you is not unique?
Josephloccster on November 6th, 2007 03:10 am (UTC)
During my ride home I decided..
I'd like to clarify that with an analogy and see what you think.

While a Chomskyist would say that all speakers possess an innate knowledge of internal grammar, they wouldn't claim that all people speak exactly the same. I see logic in a similar fashion, with an internal logic-potential that is shared, but with you're logic being unique from mine. While we may share the basic mathematical foundation behind our logic, we do each have a slightly different set of algorithms.

For instance, when determining which of two girls is more attractive, your logic might assign a higher coefficient to the variable that represents height. Your logical "attractiveness formula" differs from mine, and when using your formula and not mine, you are thinking for yourself.

(The argument to make would be: "we all learned our way of thinking from others.")
Mattwhitenoise on November 2nd, 2007 09:43 pm (UTC)
According to all my friends, yes. Logically, they must be right.
Zodbergneroman on November 2nd, 2007 10:56 pm (UTC)
As long as you're disagreeing with somebody (or somebodies) who aren't using logic.
(Anonymous) on November 2nd, 2007 11:03 pm (UTC)
not in the least, since the construct of logic itself is a relatively recent invention of western thought. on the other hand, any synthesis of "knowledge" or "belief" or whatever that actually exercises some neurons is thinking, and nobody else is impelling that, so... always yes and never yes.
a_to_tha_qa_to_tha_q on November 2nd, 2007 11:04 pm (UTC)
sup failure to log in
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a_to_tha_qa_to_tha_q on November 3rd, 2007 05:09 am (UTC)
i don't believe you but am interested in this question and welcome an argument in favor.
Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on November 3rd, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah I mean when I'm talking about Logic, I'm not talking about some class you could take in Logic, or the computer program. I'm talking about logical thought.
Antagonist77antagonist77 on November 3rd, 2007 07:25 am (UTC)
No, they're unrelated.
Logic is vaguely defined as a series of thoughts that make sense.
'Thinking for yourself' as a phrase is more related to making your own decisions with little influence. You could very easily think for yourself something totally illogical.

I suppose a simpler and more interesting question is "is it possible to think illogically?"
Juhokwwrr on November 3rd, 2007 11:47 pm (UTC)
another thought: your gay
Jeffrey Carl Fadenjeffreyatw on November 4th, 2007 12:13 am (UTC)
Hey dudes thanks,
for the thoughts.
Juhokwwrr on November 4th, 2007 01:04 pm (UTC)
another thougth... whats the sound of one hand clapping--if u have no hands..? heh, just posting a lil philoshophy on my lj.
Jeffrey Carl Faden: Punchjeffreyatw on November 4th, 2007 05:39 pm (UTC)